Thanks Crocker, I think I will contact him. From what I remember , the forks are +2 , but no where in the factory parts books does it show a different part # for the Shocks though. I have heard that before , but nothing that I have found documents it. As far as the Shovelhead Lowrider being a different rake, I have not been able to document that either. However the dyna Lowriders share the same extra rake as the FXDWG's in both the Evo's and Twin Cams. If it is true on the Shovel FXS, then they also used that frame on the FXEF (Fatbob) and FXWG from 80 on. I was under the impression that the frames only were different from the fx's where the lower tank mount and the highway peg mounts are concerned, but I could be wrong for sure , as it does not matter how long one is in the business, we are always learning something new, Thanks Again